I just found this tribe today and have read a bunch of threads...some great provocative posts here...think I'll be hanging out here for a while.

Anyway, my situation is this: I've been seeing a guy who I really like for about 2 months. From the beginning we've been "open"--he is very excited by the idea of having a "hot" girlfriend. He is sweet in many ways but obviously since it's a new relationship, there are trust issues to deal with. I've tried to be as honest and communicative as possible (as I would in any relationship), but it's daunting because he claims to have processed through the whole jealousy number, I don't know that I have, but as long as I don't feel that his extracurriculars are getting in the way of our time together, and that I'm the one he has sleepovers with, it's okay with me.

We went to a party run by some friends of mine last weekend but because there was no one there I was attracted to other than him, that hasn't really counted in his book as proof that I'm into 3somes (we're both straight although I like kissing girls; I adore MFM) and couple swapping. We're meeting a couple tonight who contacted us online (the online thing was his idea, but I've been the
writer/correspondent/screener) and I'm excited, but also feel put upon because he told me that his other girlfriends all said they were okay with the idea of his having sex with other women, but when it came down to it, they weren't. In other words, now I feel like I have to "prove" I'm cool with this, and when I feel manipulated, I can be quite the contrarian...maybe wind up not enjoying myself as much as I could.

I'm not sure what advice, exactly, I'm asking for...but I sense that my new boyfriend is much more compulsive about the non-monogamy scene, whereas I am more relaxed (well, not right now, admittedly!) and "when it happens, it happens" about it. But I've never had a romantic relationship with someone who was also a partner in various extracurricular activities. On the one hand, it's great not having to hide any of that from him--most guys hate it or think they could never take me seriously--but on the other hand, he gets so turned on that I will occasionally sleep with other guys that I wind up feeling like it's expected of me. Like he really did sound disappointed on the two occasions when I told him I hung out with a guy friend but just caught up with each other's lives over dinner.

As I said above, I can be a bit of a contrarian when I feel pushed in any particular direction, even if it's a direction I want to explore. We don't see each other more than twice a week, and I want enough alone time with this guy so we can continue to get to know each other--not just as sex bombs, but as people. I do have very intense feelings for him, but also realize that if it's only been 2 months, it's too soon to know what's going to happen. All I know is that I have zero desire to date anyone else, and he isn't seeing anyone else romantically, either. (I did raise the safe-sex issue with him--I have no intention of catching anything, and so our agreement is to only have unprotected sex with each other.)

Last weekend it hurt my feelings when he said that at the next party we go to, he wanted it to be more free-form, i.e. we split up and each find someone attractive to take into the back room, and not wait for the other. His rationale is that we're going to go home together anyway, but the whole reason I even want to go to these parties with him is so we can share adventures.

Obviously everyone has different comfort levels, but I'm just not sure I'm doing a good job communicating how I feel to him. I know if I felt more secure in his affections, I wouldn't be as anxious--but that takes time, and I don't want to rush or force any of that. Ironically, I agreed with him that it would be better to be open right out of the gate instead of waiting.

Thanks in advance for some fluid 2 cents....
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T.C.
New York City
  • Hello, and welcome.

    In reading your post, something very simple occurred to me that I hope might help. It sounds like--and please correct me if I'm wrong--you may not be sure of the non-sexual components of your relationship and you may be wondering how much he's attracted to _you_ as a person and how much he's attracted to the concept of non-monogamy/polyamory/fluidity/etc.. Perhaps you could ask him what, beyond "hotness," attracts him to you. I was once in a situation where someone who felt she wasn't getting enough sex from her boyfriend but also continually disparaged any form of non-monogamy suddenly decided "Oh, gee, there might be something to this poly thing after all, and Andy's OK with it, so......" and I knew that just wasn't going to work for several reasons, among them our vastly different ways of handling "issues" plus the fact that I'm a person and not a vibrator. If someone wants me because I'm me who happens to be polyamorous that's one thing, but if someone wants me because I'm polyamorous and happen to be me, that's something else entirely...and my experience is that the former works much better than the latter.

    I hope I'm not way off-base with any of this and I'm making some sense.

    Peace,
    --Andy
  • Thank you for this post T.C.
    I'm in a triad of "2 Vs + P" (FMF). Our relationship also includes another man that my primary partner Alorah sees periodically. So, we're all subject to the button-pushing that is possible in expanded-love relationships.

    What is working for us is a realization of the innate, genetic, desire for primary-paired-ness to fulfill our natural longing for a committed pair to process our soul evolution, mutual support, and connubial bliss. When this primary pair is established and solid in a foundation based on soul recognition -and "known" to be such by all that are in their sphere of community and affinity (an obvious condition of deep love seen by others) then space is possible to expand in love to include others.

    We've found that the primary paired relationship provides a foundation of love from which all of the issues surrounding loving more than one "mate" can be processed and integrated. When that is in place, "compersion" (taking pleasure in your mate's expression and reception of pleasure) then becomes a reality -without threatening or detracting from any of the relationships that form.

    More to discussion/sharing by email if you desire...
    Love and Light,
    Sunyata


    www.mythiclove.net/sunyata
    • Andy and Sunyata:

      Thanks for your impressions.

      Now I feel awful because after ___'s and my first couple swap last night (which went all right although I don't think I want an encore with this particular couple), this morning I found out he's not sure he wants to spend Valentine's Day together...after dating (as opposed to playing) exclusively for two months, and spending Xmas and New Year's Eve together (both his idea), and his sending me flowers twice (unprovoked). I know men are from Mars and women are from Batshit Dramaville, but to have him pull this now, when I really needed his affection after getting together with a couple for the first time, is a major slap in the face.

      Sex and chocolate would've suited me just fine on the 14th (as per most of our evenings together), and I told him it wasn't as if I needed to be taken to an overpriced restaurant or showered with trinkets, but he's made out V Day to be "only" a declaration of love and commitment (note my sarcasm), which he just isn't ready for. I managed not to raise my voice during this abbreviated discussion (he had to run to yoga class), but I know even Stevie Wonder could see I was pissed.

      He said he'd call me on Tuesday night to discuss further, but now I don't even want to see him on the 14th. Or possibly ever again.

      If he's testing me, I will flunk on principle rather than try to prove myself yet again as the groovy, evolved girl of his dreams.

      This truly, truly sucks.
      • Greetings T.C.,
        A principle that will buoy you through such upsets and/or relationships is:
        "You are the source of your own satisfaction."

        When someone looks outside their self for satisfaction the exchange/engagement often becomes about an agenda, obligation, or at the very least "expectation." No conscious being likes to be the recipient of an agenda/obligation/expectation. Think about any engagements you've had with a man where he's been in expectation for sex regardless of how you feel, or had an agenda that things had to be/go a certain way for him to be happy. When his desire comes from an aspect of wounded Ego trying to be satiated -the "yes" reply is often more difficult because it is sourced from a feeling of obligation and not our heart-felt joy.

        When both partners source their own satisfaction they bring to the engagement/exchange an elevated consciousness based on individual sovereignty and autonomy which is more fulfilling.

        Sourcing your own satisfaction doesn't mean giving up on your preferences or desires being fulfilled with an "other" -we each opportune fulfillment in each other and participate whole-heartedly in exchanges/engagements with each other. Sourcing your own satisfaction means you realize that you bring your: Love, Beauty, and Eros/sexuality, with you wherever you go (Sovereignty, -it doesn't belong to another) -and share it with whomever you choose to (Autonomy, its not controlled by another). These aspects of self are yours no matter what -they are not bestowed upon you or given to you or even brought to you -by another.

        When two people come together who each value the other's autonomy and sovereignty -and feel the sparks of erotic/romantic connection it can be a lot of fun and, at the very least, gives one a solid, mutually fulfilling basis to build on.

        Love and Light,
        Sunyata


        www.mythiclove.net/sunyata


        • So true, Sunyata.

          I can only control my actions, and happiness does come from within. But I'm still disappointed in his actions. His agenda, such as it is, seems to be about "daring" me, while mine is more about daring to care.

          I'm just keeping my counsel for now and trying to live my life the way I want it to be lived.

          Going at many different speeds with someone who is also going at many different speeds has definitely screwed up my sense of balance, so taking a deep breath and figuring out what's best for me is really the sanest thing I can do.

          Thanks for your input.
          • TC, I just wanted to say that I have really appreciated reading through this thread this morning so thank you for starting it. I've gone through similar bouts with myself and others so many times.

            You may feel intensely for this one, but intensity of feeling is not all that counts here. As you said, time to take some deep breaths and reconnect with the mastery of your own universe.

            I've found that stepping away will not kill genuine connection. It can, however, help you spot the difference. Trust that what is real will return. In fact, it will be strengthened by the added time and reflection within yourself.

            That is the beauty of fluidity.


            I especially related with...

            TC --

            ...I want enough alone time with this guy so we can continue to get to know each other--not just as sex bombs, but as people.

            ...I know if I felt more secure in his affections, I wouldn't be as anxious--but that takes time, and I don't want to rush or force any of that.

            ...I know men are from Mars and women are from Batshit Dramaville, but to have him pull this now, when I really needed his affection...

            ...His agenda, such as it is, seems to be about "daring" me, while mine is more about daring to care.

            ...Going at many different speeds with someone who is also going at many different speeds has definitely screwed up my sense of balance, so taking a deep breath and figuring out what's best for me is really the sanest thing I can do.


            Andy --

            ...you may not be sure of the non-sexual components of your relationship and you may be wondering how much he's attracted to *you* as a person and how much he's attracted to the concept of non-monogamy/polyamory/fluidity/etc..

            ...I'm a person and not a vibrator

            ...If someone wants me because I'm me who happens to be polyamorous that's one thing, but if someone wants me because I'm polyamorous and happen to be me, that's something else entirely.


            Sunyata -

            ...When someone looks outside their self for satisfaction the exchange/engagement often becomes about an agenda, obligation, or at the very least "expectation." No conscious being likes to be the recipient of an agenda/obligation/expectation.

            ...When both partners source their own satisfaction they bring to the engagement/exchange an elevated consciousness based on individual sovereignty and autonomy which is more fulfilling.
          • In appreciation, T.C., for your sharing as well...

            It appears to me that what you're really getting a good dose of is recognizing the energy match/mis-match that you are engaging with. When seen at that level it takes the 'personal' out of it -including emotional affect- and provides an uncharged context to hold in your consciousness.

            When energies are aligned/attuned/matched/resonant there is no question of caring, no daring to care needed. An internal alignment and balance/grounding is needed to fully access your heart. That is the prerequisite journey to complete. When that has been accomplished a relationship that sees the divine in all beings and finds congruity and integration instead of conflict and challenge results.

            Love and Light,
            Sunyata


            www.mythiclove.net/sunyata
  • Have you told him exactly how you feel? You communicate your feelings very well through writing. Perhaps you could just let him read this posting?

    There is nothing wrong about how you feel about monogamy. You're very open-minded to give this a try, but you're still very new at the idea of polyamory and he shouldn't be expecting you to instantly start having threesomes with him. If you have indeed told him your true feelings and he's just not listening or understanding, then he's being insensitive and I would advise that you cut him loose.

    He sounds to me like he's playing mind games with you to push you into helping him fulfill his fantasies. The stories about the other women who didn't live up to his expectations and his disappointment that you wouldn't have a threeway with just anyone at the party are trasparently manipulations on his part. He seems like he's on some mad dash to get you into a menage, without any consideration of your feelings about the matter. I'm not an expert on this, but I would think that he would want your first time to have just the right chemistry so that you're relaxed and feel comfortable.

    I did wonder about your comment regarding safe sex. Has he always practiced safe sex, or is something that he just recently agreed to do? If he's been avoiding condoms, I would be worried.

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