Jealousy and Curiosity

topic posted Mon, March 12, 2007 - 9:20 AM by  Michelle
So I feel like the concept of open relatioships, polyamory, etc. are fantastic. MY problem is that I am FAR too jealous to deal with it or get involved in anything like this. My jalousy stems from feeling like there would be nothing 'special' about me and also fear of losing my partner.
Did any of you start like this (at least with the jealousy part) or did you come to this lifestyle ready and rearing to go?
I keep thinking that this is something I want to try in the future, but I know I am not ready now. Its frustrating to want something and be the one stopping yourself from achieving it at the same time.

Also, do any of you have tips on how you became less jealous? I would love to hear your experience as well.
Thanks.
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Michelle
SF Bay Area
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    Mon, March 12, 2007 - 9:23 AM
    Yes it can be a problem. I would say make sure that you have two loves and then it will be less of a problem for you and you will then understand the dynamic a bit more.

    G
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    Mon, March 12, 2007 - 12:10 PM
    after 8 years of monogamy i asked my husband to open our marriage.
    i was definitely in a clearing - completely open to any possibility at that point.
    i never heard the word polyamory. i had no idea people actually did this.
    i was scared to death to ask my husband.
    but i couldn't stop thinking about it. and that made me miserable and unable to be fully present with my husband.
    it wasn't until after we started seeing other people that i had to learn to recognize jealousy.
    once i was able to recognize it i was able to choose what to do about it instead of reacting to it.
    i try very hard to choose open and kind communication in those moments. (it doesn't alway work out that way tho:))
    in that way i am able to alert my husband to my feelings and ask for some reassurrance or identify what triggered the jealousy.

    do some reading, in the threads in this tribe and that of the polyamory tribe.
    try reading some of the great resources out there on the subject, like the ethical slut.
    what it alsways comes down to is communication.
    without a doubt. :)
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      Tue, March 13, 2007 - 10:06 AM
      Thank you Z -
      I think sometimes I have an image in my head that people in alternative relationships are beyond human...that they have got this down to such a science that it is perfected and there is no arguing or hurt feelings sometimes. Thank you for bringing me back to reality and sharing your story. It really helps to know your experience and also to remember that communication is key (and trying to keep that communication respectful, peaceful and honest).

      You mentioned that "after we started seeing other people that i had to learn to recognize jealousy" does that mean that you did not experience jealousy prior to that point?
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        Tue, March 13, 2007 - 10:57 AM
        not to the extent that i did once my husband starting having intimate relationships with other women! :)
        that experience was brand new.

        voice in my head: "why does my tummy hurt?"
        "oh, that's jealousy"
        "ahhh...i guess i better talk with my hubby about this."

        not as easy as it sounds...but one thing that helps is to not attach any meaning to those feelings of jealousy.
        just because i feel jealous doesn't mean my hubby loves or wants me less.
        sometimes it's hard for me to remember that.
        so my husband made me a little cheat sheet to keep in my pocket.
        it's a love note to me from him.
        any time i start feel that jealousy creeping in i pull it out and look at it. :)
        works wonders!
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    Mon, March 12, 2007 - 6:02 PM
    wow- thanks 4 having the conversation.

    what a beautiful example of self-healing. u r your greatest GurU.

    1. "MY problem is that I am FAR too jealous"
    - i don't think it's a "problem", but it sounds like you're willing 2 confront/ explore a part of your self. - bad ass-

    2. "My jalousy stems from feeling like there would be nothing 'special' about me and also fear of losing my partner,"
    - "jalousy" ...call it "knit"picking (which is an equally interesting word), but the spelling is interesting, perhaps suggesting that it is like being in ja(i)l . then you were doubly badass and defined jealousy 4 yourself- "feeling like there would b nothing special about me," while deeper lies the "fear of losing my partner". start with "nothing special about me"- cause i extremely doubt that, and this is the first interaction we r sharing... but the question is: why would U chose 2 think there is nothing special about you? and what do you make it mean if you can't fill the shoes of "something special"- what do you make that MEAN? perhaps this leads 2 a be-life system that: if u r special then... your partner won't leave you. (these r intuitive responses and NOT of any negative or harmful intent). you have as many loving and present partners you as you wish 2 have.

    3. "Its frustrating to want something and be the one stopping yourself from achieving it at the same time."
    - hell yeah. oh, i mean heaven yeah (just so happens it's far more Blissful there)- i usually say it as "you're the only thing getting in your way." but i like the way you wrote it- especially with the "Its frustrating to want something and be..." the highlights here are "Frustrating to Want"- this is a bit knitpicky as well, and... it's word Magic- 'to want' IS its own experience, and quite different from 'to have' ... and Yes that is frustrating.

    all reflections aside-
    what's your curiousity or interest? - do you see/ find other people you would like to be sexual/ sensual with when you are in a relationship? are u always with a partner? r u love sharing (having loving casual sex) when u r single, or do you wait 2 meet 1 person, or is it just one time, or ....?

    there r as many styles of relationships as there are people-
    fuck everyone else- what works 4 u,... in a healthy and beneficial way?

    i have shared many types of relationships, and most of the time there were not many around that knew something this new lifestyle/ way of relating. it was a bit scary at times to do new things- a lot of internal exploration, a lot of be-life systems review, a lot of emotions, a lot of triumphs, a lot of mistakes, a lot of... Love


    gratitude 4 your openness and sharing-

    Tasi

    i find that however i create my relationship with myself is how my relationships with others are co-created.
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      Tue, March 13, 2007 - 10:25 AM
      Wow Tasi thank you for all of that - you are wonderful!

      Where to begin...well yes 'jail' ousy (I love that!) is something I am definitely tired of having in my life so I am exploring and confronting it in the hopes of eliminating it as much as possible from my life.
      What does this all MEAN to me - oh man well if I am not something special then I will never trully be loved and no one will see the beauty that is in me (that is really the short form version of that thought) whew - gotta digest that one a little more. **sniff sniff** =)

      My vision/curiosity/interest is this: I think that throughout life there will be (hopefully) one person that I choose to committ my life to. The older I get the more I begin to see marriage more as a life committment to someone than "oh we will be in deep passionate love forever" I see it as you are my life partner and best friend and lets get through this life together. Now along that journey I feel that they are many other people who can make great impacts on our lives and vice versa. In a 'typical' marriage those things are generally not explored (often due to jealousy) because partners are not open to opposite sex friends, and definitely not lovers. In my heart I feel like it would be healthier to allow that exploration and to be allowed that exploration for myself in return. Dont get me wrong, I think people can have meaningful, loving relationships without it, but more so I believe that we are missing out on something if it is not explored. People are amazing and there is so much to learn from each other...just like in this post alone (thank you!)

      i find that however i create my relationship with myself is how my relationships with others are co-created.
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        Fri, March 16, 2007 - 12:18 AM
        Michelle-
        no, you're wonderful.

        i'm glad we connected.
        let's do it again: "oh man well if I am not something special then I will never trully be loved and no one will see the beauty that is in me"

        you still did not define what it is 2 be "special"- i point this out because i bet that you're definition of it either changes or it is something so grand that there is no way u can achieve it- in short- you're definition of "special" is something that u could never fulfill (and you made it that way) so, u r doomed 2 always have the fear that "I will never trully be loved and no one will see the beauty that is in me". u have created a be-life system that there is no way out of, and it will b next 2 impossible 2 release jealousy. i read a tactic in one post that mentioned carrying around a letter to remind her that... well, she is loved and "special"; which is another way of addressing the same fear.

        2 things here, then i'll move on:
        1) you r a goddess and create your own reality, so why create a reality in which you are not something special so you will never truly be loved and no one will see the beauty that is in you?
        2) u will have 2 confront your attatchments at some point in life/ death (2 me, might as well do it now)- so, this is two-pronged- a) u will only be "truly" loved by... yourself (everyone else will love u when u do, and everyone else will only see the beauty that is in you when u do) and, b) 2 confront jealousy, u must confront your fear of loss.... 2 confront your fear of loss, you must confront attatchment. i'm not saying it's easy, but i'm not saying it's hard either. whatever u choose it 2 be-

        how about a world where everyone is so comfortable and in love with self, that everyone is a potential friend/ lover/ partner/ parent/ kid/ etc.?

        so, what about this? you're afraid of losing your partner, but what if you connected with another person in such a way that YOU wanted 2 leave your partner? or what if you're partner wanted 2 leave you (or maybe it's not leaving but arriving)? 1st- to say the person is leaving you, instead of he/ she resonated with someone else, fashions the construct that is underlying. what if your partner shared a profound engagement with someone else and they were a perfect match? when you love someone- do you want 2 keep them 4 yourself? or do u wish 4 them 2 truly have and experience what he/ she wishes 4 in her/ his life?

        i guess what i'm saying in short is:
        "Love Yourself" 4 no other reason than 2 "Love Yourself"

        i don't mean it in that cheesy "you have a low self-esteem" way.... really when U kNow there's nothing like u under the sun (or above it) and that u r extremely special, then there's no worry "if someone will love you"; rather.... whom will U choose 2 love with?

        otherwise- there's no "missing out" on things- where there is gain, there is loss, and where there is loss there is gain.

        love and blissings,

        Tasi
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    Tue, March 13, 2007 - 6:45 AM
    The first step for myself (in poly) was gaining some self confidence. Without any self confidence I just don't see it likely that you'll have the fortitude to withstand the jealousies that tend to rear their ugly head.

    And you will feel jealous, you'll have some shiatty day when your partner has a date and you'll feel all alone and like no one cares what so ever.

    But that's just not true and you need to accept that and I find it best to accept that BEFORE you have that shiatty day without support from a partner.

    So, in other words, yes, I started thinking about poly long before I was confident enough to engage in poly. (or rather, long before I felt I was confident enough, since I didn't actually engage in poly at that point I can't really say if it would have worked or not *g*)
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    Tue, March 13, 2007 - 7:45 AM
    I think that jealousy is something that all of us experience. It is recognizing this, and dealing with its root before responding, that is the goal.
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      Sun, March 18, 2007 - 2:37 PM
      "I think that jealousy is something that all of us experience."

      I don't mention this as a criticism, I just mention it to point out to people that this is not necessarily the only option.
      I do not experience jealousy - at all, ever. Not anymore. Not for almost 20 years now.
      So, although at this point in history most may experience it, not "all" do.
      And although I may be a minority, I can't possibly be alone.
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        Tue, March 27, 2007 - 4:51 PM
        Thank you for your input Caine. Upon further reflection, I stand corrected. Perhaps to say that we have all experienced jealousy at one time in our lives or another is more accurate.
        Kudos to you for having reached a plain in your life where you have conquered this emotion. I actually am not a jealous person simply by nature. I occasionally deal with small insecurities that are easily recognized and put into perspective. I do seem to attract jealous lovers, however. Any thoughts on that?
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          Tue, March 27, 2007 - 6:05 PM
          "I do seem to attract jealous lovers, however. Any thoughts on that?"

          Sorry, I got the same problem. Can't help you there other than to say if you want a peaceful life, stay away from them.
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          Tue, March 27, 2007 - 6:09 PM
          Also, so you understand, I write these things coming from a very jealous past when I was a teenager. But my excuse is... I WAS A TEENAGER! I was young and ignorant. I spent years paying attention, learning, exploring, and eventually came to the conclusion that jealousy NEVER has a good past, present or future. So, logically speaking, why do it?

          Also, it helps that I've come to the understanding that EVERYTHING in life is a choice. There is no such thing as "human nature" - there is human habit and human training - both of which can be changed by making a different choice.

          If things were truly "human nature", then why are they not consistent across all humans, races and societies? The variance is huge. That's because we are all trained that way from birth by our society, and it becomes so habitual we accept it as "the way it is" - there is no such thing as "the way it is."
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            Tue, March 27, 2007 - 9:32 PM
            For what it's worth, I think there is "human nature", and there are absolutely things that all humans share, such as:

            * langauge skills
            * 5 senses: visual, auditory, kinesthetic, olfactory, gustatory
            * sense of time: past vs future
            * ability to use imagination
            * emotions: anger, fear, sadness, joy, etc.

            I think jealousy is in the standard repertoire of human emotion. Some people experiece it more than others, due to having different experiences in life. I've read some interesting stuff on evolutionary psychology, and why being jealous is a desirable trait, from a genetic perspective. (Which is only concerned with survival and passing on of genes, rather than quality of life.)

            So I think jealousy is "natural", but it's not preordained, and we do have choice on how we react to those emotions.
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              Wed, March 28, 2007 - 9:51 AM
              "For what it's worth, I think there is "human nature", and there are absolutely things that all humans share, such as:"
              * langauge skills
              * 5 senses: visual, auditory, kinesthetic, olfactory, gustatory
              * sense of time: past vs future
              * ability to use imagination
              * emotions: anger, fear, sadness, joy, etc."

              No, these are not human "nature", these are human tools that we are given to use as we choose. And many of them, the senses in particular, are not given to all people.

              Emotions, too, are simply tools. They hold no meaning by themselves. The word "fear" alone means absolutely nothing - until you put something after it, say "fear OF SPIDERS" - now fear has a meaning. But that meaning was assigned by a choice someone made. The choice to be afraid of spiders. Not all people are afraid of spiders. So this is not human nature, this is human choice.

              Just like a hammer or screwdriver, which mean nothing until you pick them up and use them. Emotions are tools, which mean absolutely nothing until a person makes a choice to use them in one fashion or another. And, as with a hammer or screwdriver, you can also choose NEVER to use them.

              Is this easy? Certainly not. But I'm just pointing out that how we react to situations, relationships, other people, etc is human choice - not human nature. If it were human naure, it would be consistent across all humans. The tools are generally consistent, but the use of them is not.
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    Sun, March 18, 2007 - 2:33 PM
    This is my opinion - the opinion of somebody who, as a teenager, was extremely jealous, and now has no feelings of jealousy ever.
    Here are two things I would suggest to get you in a direction that can work:

    1) Jealousy is almost directly related to your sense of self worth. If you want to become less jealous, work on yourself and understanding how great you are all by yourself without anybody else's approval or presence in your life. Then anything somebody else does in their life in no way effects how you feel about yourself or them. Also, wanting to feel "special" is a way of getting outside approval and recognition for your worth because you don't yet understand you are 100% worthy regardless of what anybody thinks, says or does.

    2) Regarding your fear of losing your partner, here's the issue: yes, you can ALWAYS "lose" your partner. And no false sense of security or jealousy is going to stop it. If someone wants to leave, they will leave (be it emotionally or physically or both) - you can't stop it, so why try? And anyway, if somebody you cared about really wanted to leave, if you really cared about them why would you try to stop them? So, gain the understanding and accept that you can "lose" your partner at any point in time and there is nothing you can ever do to stop that possiblity - so let it go and enjoy the time you are with them instead of constantly focusing on the possiblity of them not being there. (a side note: you cannot "lose" something until you first believe you posess it. And you can never posess another person - unless of course you believe in slavery).
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      Mon, March 19, 2007 - 7:45 AM
      I've never experienced jealousy before either...probably because I learned about the impermanence of relationships early in life through the relationships I witnessed among others and those I embarked upon myself.

      I knew when I was very young that the only relationship which is never at risk of ending is the one you have with yourself. Therefore, I put the most work into my relationship with my self, and get the most enjoyment out of relationships with others for as long as they last.
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      Mon, March 19, 2007 - 9:30 AM
      Thank you Caine,
      Those are very good points. I dont think I realized how little self worth I actually felt towards myself until I posted this. It seems to be a common thread in the responses I have received and now that I have been able to examine that aspect within myself I realize this is truly something I need to work on. Maybe my next post should be - How does one cultivate self worth =) -
      I used to consider myself to be pretty confident and self assured and as I read back into things I have written, blogs, journaling,etc. I realize that there has been a part of myself lost along my journey and I really need to get back there. Everything you all have said is very true. Self worth, self love, awareness, communication, realizing that you dont posess people, etc, etc.

      Thank you for taking the time to respond and share - you have all helped more than I could have imaginied. I have faith that this can work. And what joy would that bring.....oh it sounds wonderful.
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        Mon, March 19, 2007 - 2:31 PM
        "How does one cultivate self worth?"

        A good starting point... remove all comparisons from your life. You are beautiful, smart, talented, etc., etc. simply because you are. Not by comparison to anyone or anything else. Each is an individual case. You will never gain self worth by comparing to anything else.

        Like this... 2+2=4. It just is. It's not 4 because 3+3=6 (which is greater), or because 1+1=2 (which is lesser). It equals 4 just because it does. Comparisons to other equations mean nothing.

        This also works with feelings of jealousy. So how someone feels or treats someone else becomes irrelevant because it's not even part of the equation of who you are, your self worth, and how others do or don't feel about you. Thus, there is no jealousy because your feelings are not based on comparisons of greater than or lesser than.
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          Mon, March 19, 2007 - 4:25 PM
          I think I need to take this blog out and post it on my mirror and in my journal.
          I love the math analogy - perhaps 2+2=4 can become some kind of mantra for me =)
          REMOVE THE COMPARISONS.
          I hope I can do this - thank you for your time and knowledge. I wish I could give you all a big hug.
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            Tue, March 20, 2007 - 8:24 AM
            I sit looking 'round
            I look at my face in the the mirror
            I know I'm worth nothing without you
            In life one and one don't make two
            One and one make one
            And I'm looking for that free ride to me
            I'm looking for you

            Bargain
            The Who
            1971
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              Thu, March 22, 2007 - 9:16 AM
              Is this to point out that The Who write dysfunctional lyrics? (nothing personal, I like The Who's music)

              Allow me to rewrite:

              I sit looking 'round
              I look at my face in the the mirror
              I know I'm completely worthy without you
              In life one and one make two
              And one always remains one
              And I'm looking for that free ride to me
              That I can find only in myself.
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                Thu, March 22, 2007 - 3:40 PM
                Coming from a fellow poet, I couldn't have rewritten this better myself!

                Great thoughts, great words - great work!

                Thanks, Caine!
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                  Sat, March 24, 2007 - 11:13 AM
                  hi michelle and everyone who has so thoughtfully replied to michelle's post. i've just finished reading everything and i'm truly amazed at the wonderful ideas and support. i guess i shouldn't be amazed, just grateful that there are so many sympathetic, non-judgmental people out there. michelle, your post struck a chord with me as my wife and i are in a similar situation as you seem to be. we have talked some about a fluid relationship, but we seem to get mired in the jealousy aspect very quickly. i believe jealousy is a natural feeling but to transcend it one must use perhaps an image of a mirror shining back- in other words we reflect everyone and all that is around us and if the images are positive we simply gain strength, and that goes for relationships of all kinds. my wife and i have a good deal to think about and i agree, printing out all the great postings from everyone to place on the bathroom mirror might get that positive reflection going in a big way. thanks michelle and all of you!
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                    Tue, March 27, 2007 - 4:02 PM
                    I used to be insanely jealous, but got over it after I thought about this for awhile:

                    1. Jealousy in no way contributes anything good to a relationship. Why would you want to involve an emotion that can only stifle a good thing?
                    2. Jealousy has a basis in control - you want a person to do something your way, rather than just letting them be who they are and accepting it fully. Trying to control someone is kind of like squeezing a balloon - it's going to pop out somewhere and it's usually a negative reaction. People don't typically like to be controlled.
                    3. Jealousy, as an emotion, has a very blinding effect on a person. We start to see things in a kind of 'tunnel vision' and don't get the bigger picture. We're so wrapped up in what we want that we forget about what *they* want. We become self-centered, in other words. You can only imagine where that's going to end up.

                    I like the lyrics from that Sting song 'set them free' - if your jealousy keeps someone in line, makes them stay with you for fear of your emotion, are they truly yours? I'd say not. Free of jealousy, we allow whom we're with to *be* who they are and we, ourselves, are free to concentrate on bigger things - developing the relationship, rather than stifling it with petty emotions.

                    When we start to feel jealous, we need to stop and recognize it and try to identify the cause. Are we afraid someone may leave us? If so, do you think jealousy is going to change that, if they really wanted to? Along with that, wouldn't it actually make them more likely to because your acting jealous puts a constraint on them where they have to always think about how it may affect you, even if what they're doing is completely innocent?

                    I can only say this - the difference between being jealous and not is night and day. It's like not being afraid anymore. In fact, it's exactly like that.

                    I think the fact that you're paying close attention to yourself and your emotions gives you a huge advantage already.
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                      Wed, March 28, 2007 - 9:40 AM
                      Thanks kc - not only is it good to hear your point of view but its inspiring to know that you and many others have BEEN jealous in the past and have managed to overcome that. Sometimes it feels impossible but knowing that it can be done creates great faith. =)
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          Tue, August 7, 2007 - 5:30 PM
          Wow, this is a really good way to think of things.
          Even though I recently ended a relationship, I have been dealing with feeling of little self-worth simply because I keep comparing myself to her progress, her ability to move on, her new adventures, and I start to feel like I am somehow less attractive, less sexy, and less desireable because I have not moved on as quickly. I am trying hard not to be jealous of her progress when I feel none myself. And it's all because I can't seem to stop comparing my path to hers...

          Intellectually, I realize this is an utterly ridiculous way to feel.

          I need to re-read your post every day and remind myself that I am simply who I am...that I am creative and sexy, even though I'm not feeling it right now...

          (sigh)

          Thanks!!!
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            Wed, August 8, 2007 - 10:20 AM
            Craw....
            I did read this post everyday (and pulled words from it to remind myself) and it helped me tremendously! I would definitely recommend it as it helps you to keep things in perspective on your journey.
            At least you realize where it is your at and also realize that these thoughts are not YOU. You are a WORTHY, creative, sexy, wonderful person and whats right for one is not right for another. It takes guts to feel the feelings of loss and accept it so be good to yourself...
            *hugs*
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              Wed, August 8, 2007 - 12:50 PM
              Thanks Michelle!
              I do believe I WILL keep reading this post every day!

              And thanks for the hug....something we all need more of when we don't have someone special...even "virtual" hugs!
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            Fri, August 10, 2007 - 9:10 AM
            "I have been dealing with feeling of little self-worth simply because I keep comparing myself to her progress..."

            I'm sure there are lots of people who will disagree with me, but it is my firm belief that all jealousy at its core comes from one thing - lack of self worth. People are busy comparing, as you said, to other people saying "why am I not good enough? why are they 'better' than me?" Thus the jealousy - all based in lack of self worth of yourself as an individual being great exactly as you are, and even if someone chooses someone else, that's simply their preference and choice - has nothing to do with you.

            So, all jealousy comes from lack of self worth. There, I said it. Tell me I'm wrong - that's cool. But I can guarantee you that a person who has true 100% self worth (not they think they have self worth, they actually do), I'm sure that type of person does not experience jealousy - it would be a non-sequitur.
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              Fri, August 10, 2007 - 9:12 AM
              P.S. - oh, and the "desire to control" issue that you mentioned comes from a person trying to control or manipulate their surroundings and other people to make themselves feel better -again, to appease their lack of self worth.
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              Fri, August 10, 2007 - 11:36 AM
              Caine,
              I find that as my self worth increases, my jealousy definitely decreases. And reminding myself of many of the things you have stated also helps, so I think you are correct. There may be more to it, but I agree with you at least in my experience.
              Thanks!
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    Wed, March 28, 2007 - 9:52 AM
    "For what it's worth, I think there is "human nature", and there are absolutely things that all humans share, such as:"
    * langauge skills
    * 5 senses: visual, auditory, kinesthetic, olfactory, gustatory
    * sense of time: past vs future
    * ability to use imagination
    * emotions: anger, fear, sadness, joy, etc."

    No, these are not human "nature", these are human tools that we are given to use as we choose. And many of them, the senses in particular, are not given to all people.

    Emotions, too, are simply tools. They hold no meaning by themselves. The word "fear" alone means absolutely nothing - until you put something after it, say "fear OF SPIDERS" - now fear has a meaning. But that meaning was assigned by a choice someone made. The choice to be afraid of spiders. Not all people are afraid of spiders. So this is not human nature, this is human choice.

    Just like a hammer or screwdriver, which mean nothing until you pick them up and use them. Emotions are tools, which mean absolutely nothing until a person makes a choice to use them in one fashion or another. And, as with a hammer or screwdriver, you can also choose NEVER to use them.

    Is this easy? Certainly not. But I'm just pointing out that how we react to situations, relationships, other people, etc is human choice - not human nature. If it were human naure, it would be consistent across all humans. The tools are generally consistent, but the use of them is not.
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      Wed, March 28, 2007 - 10:36 AM
      Caine, I like the idea of emotions as tools - when I am about to respond to something I can choose which emotion to respond with ...its about taking the time to look in the drawer and see/think about which tool would be most useful and which most detrimental.
      I once had a wonderful supervisor and mentor who used to say to me (regarding my relationship at the time) - pull out the gun before you bring out the tank (war analogy I guess) - but it all makes more sense now.
      Its just getting to that point where you stop to open the drawer to look at the tools - BEFORE you grab that one you keep in your back pocket because you use it so much =)