needs

topic posted Sun, January 7, 2007 - 9:17 PM by  Julie
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What does your partner or partners need to do to meet your needs?
Are your being met, and if not, how do you make that happen? I guess the other question is, how do you identify what your needs in the relationship are?
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Julie
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  • Re: needs

    Sun, January 7, 2007 - 9:18 PM
    Oh, and conversely, how to you make sure you aremeeting your partners' needs?
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      Re: needs

      Sun, January 7, 2007 - 9:50 PM
      I think simple and straightforward usually works best. Ask and tell. Talk about needs, not just once, but as a running topic. If you can't intuit the answer, or even if you *think* you can, ask your partner whether his/hers are being met. If mine aren't being met, I try not to let the issue fester, and just speak up. Ideally communication in a relationship works comfortably enough that the first time you've got a need to discuss, that's not being met, it's not the first time you've even talked about "needs."

      I guess that makes it sound too easy though. My own baggage seems to favor a "I really don't have any needs I can't meet myself" perspective, which is obviously messed up. For a partner, that tends to take all the fun out of need-meeting. And then there are the situations where one person says "I'm not feeling xyz, and this is what's missing that I really need in order to feel more fulfilled..." and the reply is "No you don't."

      But whatever the case, tried and true, ask and tell.
  • Re: needs

    Sun, January 7, 2007 - 9:35 PM
    Ima get in trouble for this response I'm sure... but I don't really worry about my needs getting met. I tend to focus on my partner's need. In this regard I tend to talk to them, listen to them, experiment is all manner of things... small gestures... the way we play together... the way we communicate... lots of things.

    For me my relationship with a partner grows... there is plenty of time to fit together and to share each other... to feel if the interest and care is returned in kind. if things don't go well, it all usually just drifts away...
    • Re: needs

      Mon, January 8, 2007 - 9:47 AM
      Think there's a good balance between making sure your partner is able to meet their needs and you finding what you need to feel alive and joyful. Good relationships are able to do both and enrich everyone involved....but communication is the key.

      My husband wanted to talk with me about his needs this morning and I totally put him off for work...the first time. He didn't let me ignore him for very long. Making sure that you are heard, even when it is not easy, is sooooo helpful in the long run.

      We keep our relationship by the four agreements and use that to keep everything accountable and in check. When my feelings get hurt I go back and look at whether I'm taking something personally (usually) or whether there was a real reason to be sad or upset. Making the daily effort to keep those agreements with my husband takes some of the pressure off of the "needs" discussion....we honor each other and make it work, even when things are not what they seem to be.

      Long marriages are not necessarily easier, especially as partners take on new interests and drift apart in various ways. Communication is always the key, no matter how long you've been together.
      • Re: needs

        Mon, January 8, 2007 - 10:26 PM
        Seems like good boundaries involve a nice balance of looking after one's own needs and the needs of others. Just my two cents ;)
        • Re: needs

          Tue, January 9, 2007 - 7:20 AM
          kinda sad how, after you split with a lover, you find out that you were not meeting the desired needs...hmmm...people really need to tell each other what they want, or how the hell are you supposed to know!
          • Re: needs

            Tue, January 9, 2007 - 3:44 PM
            Well... I know from personal experience that, while people are willing to talk about such things, they sometimes are looking for someone to study them a bit and make a few stabs on their own. I know some have told me that they like the level of interest and affection that such gestures indicate.
            • Re: needs

              Tue, January 9, 2007 - 8:10 PM
              Agreed. Sometimes an ounce of inquisitive experimentation is worth a pound of flat-out asking.
              • Re: needs

                Tue, January 9, 2007 - 11:54 PM
                I think that I need to get to spend a portion of my life sleeping in a bed next to my lover. That seems to be something important to me that I am having trouble letting go of.
                • Re: needs

                  Fri, January 12, 2007 - 2:45 PM
                  i would have a hard time letting go of that one too stacey. i love the feeling of dreaming with my partner, it's a new level of connection for me.
              • Re: needs

                Wed, January 10, 2007 - 12:36 PM
                Yeah... I agree... when the woman I love would experiment with thoughts on what I needed, even if she was truly right... it touched my heart sooo deeply that she was out there trying to unlock the puzzle that is me... It has not happened with other partners that often and even now that she is gone, it still brings tears to my eyes to think of her trying and then looking at me with those big, innocent, hopeful eyes...

                gods I do love her so...
                • Re: needs

                  Fri, January 12, 2007 - 11:29 AM
                  needs are a complicated issue.
                  one of the most difficult challenges i have faced has been dealing with needy partners.
                  i guess a lot of it has to do with definitions for 'need' and the context in which they exist. i would suggest that the truly fundamental needs can only be satisfied by and for one's self and to expect a partner to fulfill them is both destructive and futile.

                  in my vocabulary: reciprocal needy fulfillment = co-dependency

                  i know i have needs when it comes to relating but those have more to do with connection, communication, and energy exchange. they are the basis for me relating with someone - not something that may or may not be getting fulfilled in a relationship: if those needs aren't satisfied by our dynamic then i cant relate.

                  to be in a relationship with someone i need them to love themselves and to be solid in and of themselves -- or at least committed to the process. otherwise it feels like i have a vampiric leach attached to my throat who 'needs' me and my love/affection/support to feel validated.

                  wants and desires are a totally different subject ~;-)
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                    Re: needs

                    Fri, January 12, 2007 - 1:50 PM
                    Bravo eYen!
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                    Re: needs

                    Fri, January 12, 2007 - 5:07 PM
                    brilliant... i was waiting for someone to question this whole assumption about needs.
                    interconnected, we are. vulnerable, we are. but this does not have to translate into demands on other people.
                    and what about people who need to feel needed and so perpetuate other people's dependencies... yikes...
                    most relationships (including entire cultures) seem to be perfectly designed to validate and justify the neurotic issues of the people in them. the deal is: i'll support yours if you'll support mine... and we can just reassure each other how normal we are.
                    not surprising i've been "single" (whatever that means) since i figured that out ;-)
                    • Re: needs

                      Fri, January 12, 2007 - 6:09 PM
                      This isn't about being dependent on someone. It's about being the kind of partner to them that compliments them, and them to you.
                      I thought I responded in this thread the other day, but it must not have gone through. I will respond again soon. Thanks for your replies everyone.
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                    Re: needs

                    Fri, January 12, 2007 - 9:43 PM
                    "to be in a relationship with someone i need them to love themselves and to be solid in and of themselves -- or at least committed to the process."

                    Ah, so you have a need in relationship there. ;-)

                    I think needs don't have to be of the "you must do this to complete me and make me feel okay" variety. They can be things like a need for honesty, clear communication, and trust.

                    Also, I think it's valuable to realize these needs as things that are important to you. 'Cause if they get violated, people tend to freak out and get upset. So if you have a need to feel respected in a relationship, and then have an experience of not being respected, then you can sit with that feeling, rather than get really upset at your partner, and think they're a bitch/bastard/asshole/jerk/whatever.
  • Re: needs

    Sat, January 13, 2007 - 1:20 PM
    I find it interesting that there is such a negative from some concerning needs. I believe that love is about giving to another. In the true sense of giving, one would watch one's partner and see what makes them smile... see what makes them sigh contentedly, see what makes them laugh, see what makes tears of happiness form shed or unshed in their eyes.

    Love is about having someone who feels the same way about you... love is about finding someone who will freely give of themselves in return... love is about giving without thought, knowing that your partner will look to return many fold to you.
    • Re: needs

      Sat, January 13, 2007 - 1:28 PM
      I agree SpiritFlame, good personal boundaries involve a nice balance of looking after one's own needs as well as the needs of others.

      If you only look after your own needs, you are selfish.

      If you only look after other people's needs, you are dependent.

      Finding balance around needs is a *good* thing!
      • Re: needs

        Sat, January 13, 2007 - 1:32 PM
        I would agree...

        As a buddhist, the essence of life in so many ways seems to me to be a series of lessons in balance... Sometimes I think our society tends to be a culture of extremes... balance is most often found in the grey areas between...
        • Re: needs

          Sat, January 13, 2007 - 1:38 PM
          I think the core teaching around needs is how we are all interconnected with each other as humans and in the web of life on the planet as a whole.

          That kind of big-picture perspective on our interdependence helps me to avoid the extremes of total selfishness and total dependence.
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    Re: needs

    Sun, January 14, 2007 - 9:05 PM
    I think it comes down to communication and responsibility. There has to be open honest communication so each person can express how they are feeling in relationship and communicate their needs to the other person in a non-threatening or aggressive way. This kind of communication is simply part of the loving connection and I think can be a regular time to check in and re-tune into each other. However I also think we need to take responsibility for ourselves in relationship and realize that we are responsible for creating our own happiness not the other person. This comes down to not letting our expectations get out of control and thinking our partner must meet all our expectations or we cannot be happy or satisfied with the person. If we work on ourselves, find our inner source of happiness and joy and take responsibility for our experience we will be able to engage relationship from a stable secure place and often will find we don't need to struggle to get our needs met.
    • Re: needs

      Sun, January 14, 2007 - 10:08 PM
      Thank you Colin for putting that so succinctly.

      I agree. I think in my relationship, we got a little complacent. I never really learned to speak up for myself, and often did what I thought was necessary and without regard to what I personally needed from myself, and was so out of tune with that I didn't know really what I needed from others. The key here is communicating clearly. Identifying also where your relationship is lacking, and sharing with your partner and then the both of you working on meeting in that place where you both are honored and supported.

      I actually presented the concept of the Four Agreements to my partner, and he was sort of dismissive of it. I was feeling hurt, because in the last few months, we kinda needed a new starting point for communicating with one another. We've been together so many years, and I often feel as though he'll dismiss something I am interested in out of hand.

      We then went to our first session with the counselor in two months.. we started out in October, and after two visits she said she wanted to work with me alone for awhile. As he and I were leaving, we got to discussing the session, and I brought up the topic of needs. In part because last week I'd asked him what HE needed from ME. I want to make sure that I am considering him. In talking with my therapist last week, she'd said that in order to get what we want in a relationship, we have to give what we want. That bugged me at first.. because I felt as though all I ever did was give, and give, and got nothing in return. Then I thought about WHY I was so bothered by it. And most likely it's because I quit giving, truly giving, awhile ago. I'm defensive, and protective, and he is too. There is hurt in so many things. So anyway, I am rambling. As I was saying, I brought up the topic with him of needs. I told him that I felt he'd avoided the topic last week. He admitted that he hadn't felt ready to discuss it, and I told him that all he had to do was tell me he wanted some time to think about it, and I would have been fine, instead of feeling hurt and dismissed. Again. Here he should have said what he really meant, and I needed to not take it personally. If he had said what he wanted, I would have totally given him the space to sort it out.

      So from that conversation came a more lengthy discussion and an exercise where we listed needs people might have in relationships in general. The key here was to stay positive and constructive, and for the moment not make it about us. This became a springboard for some more discussion, and as time goes on we will talk about specific things on that list that resonate with us at any given time. It's definitely helping to open up our communication more, and provide me more of a framework for describing how I feel and what I want.
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        Wed, January 17, 2007 - 4:25 PM
        I'm glad you guys are able to open up communication and also that you have someone to work with who can provide objective reflection. Its a process but as long as both people are willing to engage that process you have something to work with. A question I ask myself about needs in relationship is - is what I'm perceiving as something I need from my partner really something I can get from my partner or is it something I need to be looking within or elsewhere for. If I'm fine with asking for a particular need from my partner then it moves to an issue of communication, can I present it openly from the heart and can my partner hear me and acknowledge what I'm asking for? Once I ask my partner for something then I need to be fully open to hear their feelings about what I'm asking of them and if they feel able to offer it or not. If they cannot meet a certain need then we have to look at another way to get it met or re-evaluate the relationship in terms of our compatibility overall.
        • Re: needs

          Thu, January 18, 2007 - 10:00 AM
          I agree. I think we're definitley still compatible, but in a rut. Doing much better these days. We're definitley communicating better, and are both feeling more supported, and more positive. October was the very worst month for us. Ever. Lost a business, got laid off, death of a loved one, depression, money, kids, stuff... The strain on our relationship that month really made us realize we needed an overhaul.
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            Thu, January 18, 2007 - 2:33 PM
            Wow any one of those things could be a big stresser so with the combination of them I can sure understand how that was a bad month, I think anyone would have had a difficult time with all that going on. But its cool that you use it to highlight the need to look at the relationship and see what needs to be addressed, that can be a positive outcome of an otherwise difficult experience. I wish you well............
            peace
          • big HUGS

            Thu, January 18, 2007 - 10:41 PM
            reading this now and knowing you so well, i feel foolish for not knowing you at all, especially when things were toughest....
            how are you now, energetically and emotionally? feeling like at least some of those needs are being met again?
            • Re: big HUGS

              Fri, January 19, 2007 - 1:37 PM
              We're getting there evonne.

              I'm home sick today. I've been getting bad, bad headaches for awhile, and lastnight they woke me. Repeatedly. So I'm going to see the doctor today.
              • I hope your headaches get better, Whim!, that can be scary not knowing what is wrong with you.

                As for this thread, I find it very helpful, as I am going to have this type of conversation with my partner this weekend and I truly want to find a balance between getting my needs met, helping to meet his needs, and deciding how comfortable we both are having those needs met by others instead or meeting them ourselves instead.

                I still feel no one has addressed the need I expressed in wanting to have a partner to sleep next to, literally. Is it possible to be fluid in our relationships and still have that kind of connection? What about the power of dreaming next to the same person regularly? Part of what fascinates me about relationship is entrenment or a kind of growing together where boundaries blur and a group mind grows out of the individuals and sentences no longer need to be completed?
                • I think really all relationships already are fluid. It's just that a lot of people here are willing to deal with them that way. I'm not sure if I'm explaining that exactly right, but that's the general feeling I get.

                  I've had that "group mind" thing happen as well, sometimes with one other person and once even with two. I've noticed it can't be forced to happen--It just seems that it either happens, or it doesn't. If I'm around people with whom I feel I can be open and there isn't stuff to be avoided, it's much more likely, but there are so many factors involved in that "growing together" effect that it's hard to get a handle on it. It's like planting two (or even more) seeds in the same area of ground, hoping to see plants growing together. All you can do is give the seeds the care they need to thrive. How they grow is kind of up to the seeds.

                  My experience is that fluidity has much more to do with what happens than how often or how many. If I know that a partner is free to have whatever relationships they want to have, then actually that can even increase the chance of the "group mind" effect you mentioned, because then I know that when someone does stay, it's by choice, rather than by an obligation such as "because we're supposed to be a couple." If I'm with someone because of who she is rather than to keep regularity, then oddly enough the regularity can happen anyway. As soon as I try to aim at the regularity itself, it gets all screwed up. It seems to be something I have to let go of in order to get, weird as that may sound.

                  I hope this makes at least some sense...I'm not feeling at my most articulate this morning.

                  Peace,
                  --Andy

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